"Anarchism is chaos"

"Anarchism is chaos."
--Rename, 3 days ago, YouTube.

For someone who is somewhat active on this forum, I am totally surprised one would say such a thing (even if you disagree with our school of thought). Philosophers that oppose anarchism at least don't spit out propagandist's lies in defense of their opinion.
I have not once seen a true anarchist tell anyone that the use of chaos was justified or even desirable. I can say democratic socialism is chaos -- does it make sense!?


"Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter"


Don't write OUR history for us and stop spreading lies about such a beautiful, serious philosophy.

KenCat wrote:

"Anarchism is chaos."
--Rename, 3 days ago, YouTube.

For someone who is somewhat active on this forum, I am totally surprised one would say such a thing (even if you disagree with our school of thought). Philosophers that oppose anarchism at least don't spit out propagandist's lies in defense of their opinion.
I have not once seen a true anarchist tell anyone that the use of chaos was justified or even desirable. I can say democratic socialism is chaos -- does it make sense!?


"Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter"

--African Proverb

Don't write OUR history for us and stop spreading lies about such a beautiful, serious philosophy.

He only comes on this site to undermine our philosophy and spread misinformation. He usually does it in our absence in order to avoid experienced response. He also has a nasty habit of ignoring comments that refute his position.

Inkus2000 wrote:

He also has a nasty habit of ignoring comments that refute his position.

I've noticed that as well. What bothers me is that he should KNOW none of us favor chaos whatsoever -- he participates on this forum. He spreads the misinformation to favor his philosophy.

Sad...

extremely sad.
and sick.
i can't even comprehend why one would do it. No one can defy Truth as truth is whole, real, and always there.
Yet people still do it and it just p's me off.

dawowcow wrote:

extremely sad.
and sick.
i can't even comprehend why one would do it. No one can defy Truth as truth is whole, real, and always there.
Yet people still do it and it just p's me off.

I can see why uneducated capitalists would spit out the bullshit that corporate TV shows like FOX told them, but Rename reads all of what we say and not once have we advocated chaos.
In 1936, Spain there was no chaos. No rulers, and all that was seen was people helping each other out.

I find it extremely sick that you people get an elitist high off of other people's immaturity. Honestly, are you trying to make yourself seem smart or do you honestly want people to start being anarchists. With that attitude, it just sounds like you only want to discourage, and if people say shit, then you need to understand and make yourself understood. Try and talk to him/her. If you just got past a youtube comment, which is honestly a bullshit cite to begin with, then maybe we could have another in our ranks. Who knows, maybe rename could eventually do your bitching for you. Don't try to spread how smart you are. Try to spread how smart the anarchist ideals are.

Public Enemy wrote:

I find it extremely sick that you people get an elitist high off of other people's immaturity. Honestly, are you trying to make yourself seem smart or do you honestly want people to start being anarchists. With that attitude, it just sounds like you only want to discourage, and if people say shit, then you need to understand and make yourself understood. Try and talk to him/her. If you just got past a youtube comment, which is honestly a bullshit cite to begin with, then maybe we could have another in our ranks. Who knows, maybe rename could eventually do your bitching for you. Don't try to spread how smart you are. Try to spread how smart the anarchist ideals are.

Try to talk to Rename!? We have been ever since he joined the forums and all he does is back up the TRULY elitist.. elite.

Public Enemy wrote:

I find it extremely sick that you people get an elitist high off of other people's immaturity. Honestly, are you trying to make yourself seem smart or do you honestly want people to start being anarchists. With that attitude, it just sounds like you only want to discourage, and if people say shit, then you need to understand and make yourself understood. Try and talk to him/her. If you just got past a youtube comment, which is honestly a bullshit cite to begin with, then maybe we could have another in our ranks. Who knows, maybe rename could eventually do your bitching for you. Don't try to spread how smart you are. Try to spread how smart the anarchist ideals are.

WTF ?

Hang on a second - I would actually agree with you here if I thought Rename was ignorant or misinformed about Anarchy, the fact is that he isn't. Rename has a reasonable understanding of anarchist theory, enough to know that we don't advocate chaos. I don't give a shit what he posts on other sites - what bothers me is that he tries to dissuade newcomers ''in our absence'' by spreading misinformation on ''this site''.

No rename is ''not'' immature or uneducated he is of a different political philosophy and his interests are opposed to ours.

Public Enemy wrote:

I find it extremely sick that you people get an elitist high off of other people's immaturity. Honestly, are you trying to make yourself seem smart or do you honestly want people to start being anarchists. With that attitude, it just sounds like you only want to discourage, and if people say shit, then you need to understand and make yourself understood. Try and talk to him/her. If you just got past a youtube comment, which is honestly a bullshit cite to begin with, then maybe we could have another in our ranks. Who knows, maybe rename could eventually do your bitching for you. Don't try to spread how smart you are. Try to spread how smart the anarchist ideals are.

Yes I always do this but this isn't some ignorant guy that just happen to hear about anarchy - he's been on our site before I even got here and to sit here with all smiles then go on youtube and post what he did with no backing to it is ridiculous make us look stupid. Why is he here if Anarchy is just chaos and no control?

I don't know why we let this reactionist on here.

InsurgenteCujo wrote:

I don't why we let this reactionist on here.

Well, we ARE anarchists -- we believe in free speech. Although he lies and distorts our views, he doesn't stop us from / speak out against expressing them. I guess that's where one would draw the line. Well, maybe he is stopping us from expressing our views in certain ways.

I don't know, he's also good, consumerist practice. ha

KenCat wrote:

InsurgenteCujo wrote:

I don't why we let this reactionist on here.

Well, we ARE anarchists -- we believe in free speech. Although he lies and distorts our views, he doesn't stop us from / speak out against expressing them. I guess that's where one would draw the line. Well, maybe he is stopping us from expressing our views in certain ways.

I don't know, he's also good, consumerist practice. ha

I still say its a bad idea.

Bad idea or not, it's what we believe in.. I mean, come on, if bad ideas had stopped people from believing, religion would be gone long ago..

chris wrote:

Bad idea or not, it's what we believe in.. I mean, come on, if bad ideas had stopped people from believing, religion would be gone long ago..

l0l

InsurgenteCujo wrote:

KenCat wrote:

InsurgenteCujo wrote:

I don't why we let this reactionist on here.

Well, we ARE anarchists -- we believe in free speech. Although he lies and distorts our views, he doesn't stop us from / speak out against expressing them. I guess that's where one would draw the line. Well, maybe he is stopping us from expressing our views in certain ways.

I don't know, he's also good, consumerist practice. ha

I still say its a bad idea.

Okay.. So we endorse free speech, but oppose lies. Therefore, we oppose him.

Well that's a very good point

He can say what he likes we have no right to stop him -

After spending a while on his forum, I got to see who he really was. Borderline McCain/Obama supporter, private school kid about in eighth grade, etc.

Why change if you're living the life, right?.. =/

Cheveyo wrote:

After spending a while on his forum, I got to see who he really was. Borderline McCain/Obama supporter, private school kid about in eighth grade, etc.

Why change if you're living the life, right?.. =/

I can see hes not obviously hurting lol mccain/obama suppporter on an anarchist forum never ends well now does it?

oh, but think of the fun we'll have! lol really, there is a lot of conflicting points on anarchism, that's what makes it great, and i HAVE heard of anarchists who believe in creating chaos....i can't really explain it, because i haven't studied it, but i'm sure i'm not alone in having heard of this. its not crazy, its just a different way of perceiving.

anywho, rename is allowed to say what he pleases, and though we might hope to broaden his horizons a bit, we can't exactly stop him from saying things, and we are currently doing all we can for the intangible entity of the screen name "rename", IMO

solpacvoicis wrote:

oh, but think of the fun we'll have! lol really, there is a lot of conflicting points on anarchism, that's what makes it great, and i HAVE heard of anarchists who believe in creating chaos....i can't really explain it, because i haven't studied it, but i'm sure i'm not alone in having heard of this. its not crazy, its just a different way of perceiving.

anywho, rename is allowed to say what he pleases, and though we might hope to broaden his horizons a bit, we can't exactly stop him from saying things, and we are currently doing all we can for the intangible entity of the screen name "rename", IMO

Omniarchy is chaos -- where is this chaos-driven anarchism you have heard of? Discordianism?! lol

lol, yeah, discordianism ^_^ that's it

but i'm sure there is more than that. o.o;; there has to be more than them who see chaos as NOT a bad thing, right? oh well.

I must say, i am truely surprised by this. Apparentely you don't know my social life very well, which most likely you shouldn't, but oh well.
So maybe i should inform you alittle better?
-Youtube account, i share this account with, let's see, 1 brother, 1 sister, 3 friends, and 1 girlfriend. Total = 6 political activists.
I am on that account, maybe once, twice, every two weeks. Comment on videos i like, i don't even really watch political videos on youtube because their all shit anymore.
Don't tag me too all of my other members comments, but i will defend myself by saying that i posted a comment BEFORE that saying something about revolution = chaos. I NEVER posted anything saying anarchism = chaos.

Now quite a few of you also said that i avoid arguments.
Well, back to my life, i have a life, i have things to do. Recently in the past weeks i went on vacation, birthdays, parents having serious health issues, my friend died, i totally lost faith in a god, went to a new school, girlfriend(s), not too mention average friends. Does that mean i have time to get on the internet and post comments everyday on 10-15 different websites i go on? NO
I will admit i did forget about this forum, and i wish it would have stayed that way.

You say i am arrogant for leaving and not coming on/avoiding questions, we'll i would have to say the same about you because YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHY I WAS GONE? I would truely like to see one of you with all these issues i've been having and still have time to be active on a political website of a different ideal than my own, i barely had time to mend my own fucking forum.

Cheveyo wrote:

After spending a while on his forum, I got to see who he really was. Borderline McCain/Obama supporter, private school kid about in eighth grade, etc.

Why change if you're living the life, right?.. =/

Looks like you got this wrong, also. Im a semi-Obama supporter. Im not in private school. And im a junior in HIGHSCHOOL. So how about not spreading lies about my life??

With comments like these i have been reading, i doubt i will ever return here, so one less capitalist on your forum.

Rename wrote:

I must say, i am truely surprised by this. Apparentely you don't know my social life very well, which most likely you shouldn't, but oh well.
So maybe i should inform you alittle better?
-Youtube account, i share this account with, let's see, 1 brother, 1 sister, 3 friends, and 1 girlfriend. Total = 6 political activists.
I am on that account, maybe once, twice, every two weeks. Comment on videos i like, i don't even really watch political videos on youtube because their all shit anymore.
Don't tag me too all of my other members comments, but i will defend myself by saying that i posted a comment BEFORE that saying something about revolution = chaos. I NEVER posted anything saying anarchism = chaos.

Now quite a few of you also said that i avoid arguments.
Well, back to my life, i have a life, i have things to do. Recently in the past weeks i went on vacation, birthdays, parents having serious health issues, my friend died, i totally lost faith in a god, went to a new school, girlfriend(s), not too mention average friends. Does that mean i have time to get on the internet and post comments everyday on 10-15 different websites i go on? NO
I will admit i did forget about this forum, and i wish it would have stayed that way.

You say i am arrogant for leaving and not coming on/avoiding questions, we'll i would have to say the same about you because YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHY I WAS GONE? I would truely like to see one of you with all these issues i've been having and still have time to be active on a political website of a different ideal than my own, i barely had time to mend my own fucking forum.

Cheveyo wrote:

After spending a while on his forum, I got to see who he really was. Borderline McCain/Obama supporter, private school kid about in eighth grade, etc.

Why change if you're living the life, right?.. =/

Looks like you got this wrong, also. Im a semi-Obama supporter. Im not in private school. And im a junior in HIGHSCHOOL. So how about not spreading lies about my life??

With comments like these i have been reading, i doubt i will ever return here, so one less capitalist on your forum.

1) HOW THE HELL WOULD WE KNOW YOU HAVE 6 PEOPLE ON YOUR ACCOUNT IF YOU DIDN'T TELL US - Most people don't have more than 1 person using their account let alone 6 so you can't get mad at us for the confusion with all due respect, it is called YOUtube not WEtube...
2) Noone wants you to leave the forums you bring good information and as you can see noone wanted you to be kicked and obviously you weren't kicked
3) We all have lives honestly it takes me 1 minute to check new posts on this forum lol
4) "Don't tag me with my other members comments" HOW WILL WE KNOW WHO SAID WHAT WITH 6 PEOPLE ON ONE ACCOUNT
5) I don't know anyone that said anything negative about you being gone everyone was simply in a state of shock someone from this forum would say "anarchism is chaos" but now we know that your not the person who said it were not worried.